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Sullivan King and Family at Chazy Lake

Seraphim and Family c. 1900

Picture from the collection of Richard King

Richard will correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a picture of a picture.  The original is tiny if I remember correctly.  In any case if anyone has the original of this I’d love to have a full scan at the highest resolution possible from it.  This picture is of such high quality that we can almost see everyone’s face in detail. With a higher resolution scan I think my software or someone’s software could actually show us their faces.

We can identify some of the people in this picture.  Sullivan is sitting by the door to his saloon.  Xavier is holding the horse, we think it is Mary standing on the upper porch holding something in her hands.  Beyond that we need help identifying people, we can make some guesses but if anyone knows we’d love to hear from you.

detail-of-boy-with-horse-from-seraphims-farm-picture.png       Sullivan M. King in front of his home/saloon    Mary Miller? and two of the children

Click on the pictures to see them full screen.

Boy and girl in front of Sullivan’s house    detail-of-three-women-on-porch-from-seraphim-farm-picture.png   Xavier and horse

 

7 Comments leave one →
  1. cleadslinger32 permalink
    February 24, 2008 12:34 am

    I passed by this house many, many times on my way to school. We called it Noel’s Store, and we kids often stopped in to buy a bottle of pop or a Hershey bar. Quite a few years ago I stopped at the house, and Gerald Noel was there still tending the little store. He showed me the original picture. I wanted to take the picture out of its frame but didn’t dare because it was too fragile. I did take a 35mm slide through the pane of glass, and this is a copy of that. Once I blew up the slide and viewed it on a screen. If you look carefully on the upstairs railing, there is a sign that says BEER because, in fact, “Old Sullivan brewed beer and sold it. He also had a small store there. It looks like a good-sized household. When I showed this picture to my Aunt Valeda, she thought that the man holding the horse (not the boy) was her father, Xavier

  2. cleadslinger32 permalink
    May 10, 2008 8:42 pm

    When I was growing up in Chazy Lake we lived less than a quarter of a mile from Séraphin Roy’s house. During my time it was known as Noel’s Store because when he was older, he moved to Troy, NY, to live with his daughter. She married a Tague, and I don’t know the particulars. I believe that he was buried there about 1920, more or less.

    Anyhow, Séraphin was considered to have been quite an entrepreneur. He was born in Churubusco, NY, and lived in the family home which is sometimes called the Roy/Légacy house. He started his adult life as an itinerant shoe and harnesses maker. According to the stories I heard, he would travel from farm to farm to make or repair farmers’ harnesses. He would also build shoes and boots for everyone in the family. During this time he would live with the family being serviced. Then he would move on to the next family. No-one mentioned if he also tanned the leather or not.

    Early in the 1870’s a narrow gauge railroad was constructed to go to the newly-opened iron ore mine in Lyon Mountain (then called Rogersfield). He took a job at the mines to build and repair harnesses for the mules that pulled the ore tram cars underground. It was said that the mules became blind from the long hours of darkness, and that some mules were born and died underground

    By this time Séraphin had married Marie Meunier who was later known as Mary Miller. He, too, anglicized his name and became Sullivan King. After that all of the Roys became Kings. Sometimes I think of changing it back.

    Apparently , Séraphin/Sullivan, saved his money and purchased a good-sized piece of land from the mining company four miles away from Lyon Mountain. This was on the shore of Chazy Lake. Farming there was a challenge. The season was short. The soil was thin and very rocky. Nevertheless, there were plenty of trees. Also, oats, yellow peas, and potatoes grew very well

    I have to explain right now that there was an “old” Sullivan and a “new” Sullivan. The “new” one being the grandson of the “old” one. I’ll continue to use the term “old” Sullivan King who was originally Séraphin Roy (Roy being old French for King).

    Thus, “old ” Sullivan dammed up a brook to make a pond. Using water power, he constructed a sawmill. This would have used a vertical blade for sawing timbers. Using this lumber he constructed the house and barns you see above. I don’t know , but I expect that he also sold lumber to other settlers who were coming into the area.

    When I was a boy, the pond was still there although it had silted over badly. I tried to imagine what life was like in the old days. The last time that I visited the area, Jerry Noel still lived in the house, and he still had a mom and pop store there and a gas pump. He is the one who allowed me to photograph the house.

    It seems like there was a large household in the home of Sullivan and Mary. If I remember correctly the sons were Patrick, David, Xavier, and others as well as some girls. I don’t feel like looking up genealogical records right now. In addition there was as girl, Della Lacroix, who was adopted. Cousin Cheryl may not agree with me and that is ok, but I suspect that Mary’s mother lived there, and she was the one referred to as “Old Grundy”.

    One other thing–Sullivan brewed and sold beer in the basement of the house. If one looks very closely, he might see a sign near the balcony that attests to that fact. At one point he also ran a store selling things like axes and saws.

    This is ancient history now, but you have to know were you have been to know were you are going, and “old” Sullivan is one of our ancestors.

  3. nmdon permalink
    May 29, 2008 11:52 am

    Sullivan King was born Séraphin Maximin Roy, 08 March 1840 and baptized the following day at Eglise St-Laurent, Ville-St-Laurent, Quebec. His parents were François Xavier Roy and Marie Eugénie Martin dite La Douceur, and they lived in that parish on Montreal Island, not in Trois-Rivières, Quebec or Churubusco, NY. In the 1851 East Canada census Sullivan is listed with his parents and siblings Xavier, Narcisse, Célina, Benjamin and Marie at St-Urbain, Beauharnois, Quebec.

    Sullivan reportedly immigrated to the U.S. in 1854 and was naturalized in 1856 although a search for the record in the Clinton County Clerk’s office was not successful. By the 1860 census Sullivan King is living in Moores Forks and is listed under his anglicized name along with wife Mary Miller and son David. Mary’s parents were François Meunier of Chateauguay, Quebec parish and Marguerite Patenaude from St.-Constant, QC. They moved to what is now known as the Lost Nation Road, Churubusco, NY and Mary was their first child born 25 July 1840 on U.S. soil although she was baptized Marie Meunier 01 December 1840 in Saint Jean-Chrysostome, QC.

    In 1870 Sullivan, wife Mary, mother-in-law Margaret and children David, Adelia, Amelia and Ex. Francis (Xavier) are living on the Miller farm on the Lost Nation Road and Mary’s brother John Legacy owns the farm across the road. Legacy is a ‘dit name’ from the French Canadian Meunier dit Lagacé surname. Sullivan operated a shoemaker’s shop at 26 Broad Street in Churubusco in the Ambrose Rushford house.

    By 1880, the family had moved to Chazy Lake and the Chazy Lake King heritage took on roots. In 1910 Sullivan and Mary were living next to son-in-law James Tague and daughter Delia on Rainbow Lake Road near Gabriels, NY. The youngest of the four ‘King boys’, Patrick and family lived on a farm just down the road. Patrick died in 1917. Sullivan and Mary and the Tague family moved to Troy, NY. Sullivan died 23 November 1920 and Mary 04 December 1924. They are buried in St. John’s Cemetery, Troy, NY.

  4. nmdon permalink*
    May 29, 2008 12:10 pm

    The Children of Sullivan and Mary King.

    David King (1859-1941)
    m. Adeline Robert (1866-1934)
    Buried St. Bernards Cemetery, Lyon Mt. NY

    Delia (Adelia) King Tague (1863-1950)
    m. James Tague (1863-1923)
    Buried St. Johns Cemetery, Troy NY with Sullivan and Mary King

    Amelia (Marie) King Riley (1866-1949)
    m. Thomas Riley (1858-1910)
    Amelia buried at St Johns Cemetery, Plattsburgh NY
    Thomas buried Old Section St Alexanders Cemetery, Morrisonville NY

    (Francis Xavier) Xavier King (1869-1934)
    m. Emma Courbron (dit D’Amours) (1866-1931)
    Buried St Bernards Cemetery, Lyon Mt NY

    Rosina King (1871-1879)
    Buried Immaculate Heart of Mary Cemetery, Churubusco NY

    Phoebe (Sophie Philia) King Fournier (1874-1950)
    m. Frank Fournier (1869-1921)
    Buried St Josephs Cemetery, Dannemora NY

    (Jean-Baptiste) Wilfred King (1876-1967)
    m. Katherine Welsh (1873-1941)
    Buried St Josephs Cemetery, Dannemora NY

    (Joseph) Patrick King (1879-1917)
    m. Loretta Willett (1888 -1950)
    Patrick buried St Bernards Cemetery, Lyon Mt NY
    Loretta buried Calvary Cemetery, Norwood NY

    Della (Delima) La Croix King Gonyea (1885-1960) adopted daughter
    m. Eli (Pollay) Hilaire Gonyea (1879-1941)
    Della buried St Joachims New Cemetery, Beacon NY
    Eli buried Assumption of Mary Cemetery, Redford NY

  5. cheryljk permalink*
    May 30, 2008 10:05 am

    Amelia King married Thomas Riley their daughter Rose married Fred Breyette. Some genealogies have confused Rose Riley with Rosina (Rose) King; Rose Riley was the niece of Rosina King, I’d bet she was named after her… though we’ll never know… but in any case the confusion causes some genealogies to skip a generation.

  6. Brian permalink
    January 23, 2016 6:21 pm

    I am part of this family. You may know “Roy” was originally “Roi”, French for “King”. Ella Mae King was my grandmother.

  7. cheryljk permalink*
    January 25, 2016 8:04 am

    Brian, there were at least two King families in Chazy Lake, they had different original ancestors. Your family, is not only descended from the line in this picture (Wilfred, son of Sullivan) but also from the other large King line (also Roi in French) that lived here at the lake and in Redford.

    Sullivan King’s ancestors settled in Montreal in 1642. They were part of the party that came to Montreal with the founder of the first hospital at Montreal, Jeanne Mance. It isn’t surprising that both of the original ancestors are named “Jean” Roi, but that does lead to confusion if the researcher losses focus :). The story of Sullivan’s Jean Roi is fascinating and I hope to get it up onto the websites but I am still working… so time becomes an issue.

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